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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 331 for the 22nd of every

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2015 richardsaunders here with you from

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the Blue Mountains in Australia because

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I'm lucky I'm visiting our reporter you

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know us so well from evidence please Joe

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alabaster hello Joe hello Richard hello

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yes I'm so happy to come up here today

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to visit you course we've been talking

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about the show going over this week's

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episode are a few bits of housekeeping

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and things like that and thank you for

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hosting the show last week that was an

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absolute pleasure it's a lot of fun well

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I'm glad you enjoyed it I hope you'll do

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it again sometime it's a possibility but

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enough of this banter Joe alabaster

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enough of this band of what's coming up

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on this week's show we're going to kick

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off with the raw skeptic report with

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Heidi Robertson and what a great

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reporter she is she is indeed I'm really

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really glad that we've got her on board

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it's funny now because she's known as

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the new reporter and you used to be the

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new reporter but now you're just the

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reporter a seasoned reporter oh sorry a

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seasoned report it will Heidi yes cheese

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on you reported the raw skeptic as we

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call it because her first report was

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about raw milk and she's not living it

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down no she's not she's active what an

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interesting report she's giving us this

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week she's using her expertise in a

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former life as a paramedic mmm to talk

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about burns first aid for band's first

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aid burns and some of the weird and

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wacky and downright dangerous

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alternative remedies and treatments for

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burns so folks some good advice coming

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up at the top of the show with the raw

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skeptic and the war skeptic report with

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Heidi Robertson and after that we chat

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with dr. Steve Roberts also known as dr.

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Bob from dr. Bob's trivia quiz Steve's

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going to give us his insights and

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opinions on psychics in the movies and

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on TV have you ever seen those psychic

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shows like medium general I have indeed

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I've also seen a reality TV show which

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involves some psychics and there was

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some guy on it oh oh yeah his name I

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tried to watch an episode of that but I

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had to give up honestly idea though

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absolute rubbish oh geez got me we'll

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find out more

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steve roberts coming up a little a bit

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later on and then what's next after that

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Joe I'm getting an RI oz weekend service

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with dr. Paul Willis this week or will

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it wigan science from our is always a

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popular segment then to round off the

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show i chat to an interesting skeptical

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guy in the UK ash price who's touring

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the UK this year were the show about

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talking to the dead oh yeah that what I

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said oh yes as price talking to the dead

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a show coming up to round off this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone also

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this week we can have some information

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about the Surf Coast skeptic camp in

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Victoria which we wish we could go to

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really very much wish I was going to be

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able to go there yeah but we'll just

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have to hear all about it I hope so I

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hope so there's a little head coming up

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but i did there such a an active lot

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down there in victoria don't you think

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the Victorian skeptics in general I mean

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there's many people in many different

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organizations skeptical in Victoria

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there's the Victorian skeptics

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themselves of course but there's all

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sorts of other groups down there doing

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all sorts of good stuff well that's all

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from us at the moment folks Joe let's

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run to the kitchen let's run downstairs

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which one downstairs I'm Brenda to get

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extra the kitchen is just over there I'm

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at your place so we can't run downstairs

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because we'll end up in your backyard

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but let's run to the kitchen get some

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nice pumpkin bread from the german

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bakery put some cheese on top and it may

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be a few pickled chilies how does that

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sound that sounds good apart from the

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chilies wow that we hope you enjoy the

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone I say you're

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looking well it's raining on and off

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quite heavily here so you may hear that

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now and again in the background this

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week my report is centered around some

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of the more interesting first aid

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treatments for burns and what is and

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what is not backed up by evidence in

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what seems like someone else's life now

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I used to be an intensive care ambulance

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paramedic in Sydney I did that for about

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10 years getting a Bachelor of Health

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Science in pre-hospital care in the

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process and I was also lucky enough to

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score a gig as a paramedic for the

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American reality show survivor looking

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after the contestants and crew for the

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duration up to three months on set for

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each location that job took me to Brazil

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Panama Guatemala the Cook Islands and

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pull out so now I teach nationally

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accredited first aid courses when

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teaching these courses I come across

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many questions from students that are

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illnesses this week I'm going to report

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on the various interesting pre-hospital

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treatments I've heard for burns firstly

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resuscitation council recommends based

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on evidence for the acute management of

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burns outside of hospital the summary is

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as follows quote the australian

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first aid should consist of cool running

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water applied as soon as possible after

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the burn injury has occurred and for 20

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minutes duration as this treatment has

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been shown to significantly reduce

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has not been shown to promote healing

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in fact cause frostbite end quote so

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that is current best practice cool

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which reduces pain limits further tissue

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damage and promotes healing most people

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long-term benefits to stated the other

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papyrus of herbal treatments dating to

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here is listed mud excrement oil and

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plant extracts on different days after

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the burn injury has occurred as well as

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or of fermenting goat down in the fourth

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century BC a Greek and Roman treatments

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lotion of wine and myrrh for burns the

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cold water for burn treatment so as in

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history even today many different things

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we now know there is good evidence for

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running water and not much else burns

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pre-hospital environment without people

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ambulance arrival let me recount a

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particular incident which describes how

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difficult a large body surface area burn

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can be to manage this particular patient

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that myself and my partner attended had

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sustained partial thickness burns from

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neck to knees as you can imagine the

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patient was in an enormous amount of

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and distress the priority was to get the

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patient under cool running water for the

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reasons already discussed but because it

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was such a large area this meant the

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shower rather than a tap cannulated a

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patient who is screaming in pain under

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cool running water these soaking the

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both of you is no easy task as the veins

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become difficult to find as a result of

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both the cold water and the patient

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going into shock thankfully cannulation

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was successful and morphine and fluids

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were administered with good effect but

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the patient was on the verge of

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hypothermia by the time we got out of

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the shower losing such a large area of

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skin and having it exposed to cool water

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for 20 minutes means that hypothermia as

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well as infection are significant

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complications and concerns for burn

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management to avoid these complications

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as best you can avoid putting the burnt

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area in a container or bath of cool

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water as these containers are generally

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not sterile for starters and if it is a

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significant burn the water will just

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heat up around the burn making that

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treatment less effective there is some

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evidence in the literature that the cool

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of the water is the more effective it

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will be especially in the case of

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smaller burns where hypothermia is not a

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concern try to run the water over just

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the burn area itself whilst keeping the

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rest of the patient warm avoid putting

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any gels or lotions on burns aloe vera

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burns such as sunburn where the skin has

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remained intact and after application of

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water so now to the strange alternative

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treatments for burns that I've come

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across firstly butter on burns many in

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my classes report their grandmother's or

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mothers using this on them when they

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were kids this treatment originated from

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a Surgeon General friedrich von s mark

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much in the 19th century he wrote a

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handbook on Battlefield medicine and

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recommended that burnt surfaces should

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be covered with an oil grease or butter

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the idea being to seal the burn off from

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the air keeping it clean and helping it

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all there is no evidence for the healing

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properties of butter on burns the

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coolness of the butter if it were

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refrigerated doubtful on a battlefield

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may help with pain relief but there are

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no other benefits known so please do not

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put butter on burns I can't go into as

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much detail for all the other remedies

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I've heard as there are too many and it

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would be a five hour report however i

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can say that none of the following have

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any evidence behind them here's just a

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sample toothpaste soy sauce cold yellow

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sliced tomatoes raw onions baking soda

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sour cream vinegar hemorrhoid cream now

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I'm no Sherlock Holmes but I'm going to

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guess that all these remedies have been

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tried because many burns happen in the

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kitchen and these products are close at

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hand well hemorrhoid cream may be kept

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in the bathroom I suppose but still not

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too far away to apparently give it a

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whirl perhaps some of these have been

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straight out of the fridge again no

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evidence water is best then I came

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across this in an online forum

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describing an incident with a little

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girl who had spilled boiling tea over

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her legs quote I knew that tea tree oil

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was good for burns and since I had some

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in my bag I offered to apply some to her

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legs I had to assure my friend and

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especially her daughter that it would

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definitely be of some help they did not

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even know what tea tree oil was so they

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were hesitant but clearly anything that

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could help would be welcome because the

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girl was screaming uncontrollably at

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this point we took her out of the shower

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and dried her legs as best we could then

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I put some oil in the palm of my hand

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rubbed my hands together and rub the oil

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on her legs for a brief moment

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everything was okay but then she started

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screaming like you wouldn't believe

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saying it was hurting her

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even more admittedly I was a little

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surprised myself because I had not

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experienced a reaction like that before

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my friend was alarmed and asked me if

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that was normal I told her I'd never

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seen that type of reaction but that I

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thought it was because her legs were wet

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and her paws were open I asked her

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daughter to be patient and wait and that

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it would soon get better she tried her

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best to wait it out but she was unable

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to bear the pain at this point she was

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jumping up and down begging us to take

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it off of her I felt really bad because

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she was clearly in a lot of pain because

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of me but I didn't really know what to

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do because I thought that water would

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only push the oil deeper into her skin

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after briefly discussing it my friend

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decided to try washing it off because

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doing something was better than doing

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nothing after washing her legs off with

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soap like a much-welcomed blessing from

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God she stopped crying 23 long minutes

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and she finally stopped crying she said

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it still hurt a little but that it felt

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much better my friend took her daughter

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home and the next morning she called me

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to let me know that there was not a

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single mark on her daughter's legs It

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was as if nothing happened end quote

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again me no Sherlock but perhaps the 23

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minutes under the shower may have

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contributed to this miraculous result

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and now to the ever more frightening

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homeopathic first aid kits on the

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internet if you don't believe me take a

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look on ebay for about sixty four

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australian dollars you can get 18 small

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vials of sugar pills at a 200 C potency

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which claims to treat the following

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ailments bruises burns scolds bites

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stings sprains strains splinters wounds

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whiplash bleeding shock trauma distress

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fainting fractures concussion

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hypothermia chill sunburn heatstroke

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poisoning diarrhea and allergic reaction

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1 homeopathy website describes several

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homeopathic preparations that they claim

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are useful for the acute treatment of

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burns a worry if they are advocating

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homeopathy for burns over cool running

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water even if the preparations were

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water in

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of sugar pills I doubt that the amount

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of water in a homeopathic preparation is

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going to be sufficient to irrigate the

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burn area for 20 minutes here's one

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description of a homeopathic treatment

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for burns it's called soul quote this

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remedy is made from / 10 ties sunlight

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it is useful in sunburn both as a

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preventative in those who are extremely

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sensitive to the Sun and as well

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curative in overexposure may be useful

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reducing the amounts of UV radiation in

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the skin end quote okay here's the last

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possibly most disturbing one with thanks

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to Joe alabaster for alerting me to this

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this person calls himself the fire burn

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doctor and can be found at the website

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fire burn doctor calm he comes from a

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group of acolytes of a doctor Philippe

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Sauvage who is easily found via google

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the claim of the fire burn doctor is

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this free instant burn recovery when you

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call or text a phone number within 30

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minutes of the burn occurring so do they

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rush to your house and apply some new

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miraculous treatment no this healing is

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claimed to be done remotely over the

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phone information to be sent is the

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person's name at birth date of birth and

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place of birth or alternatively text a

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picture or any photograph of the person

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in the About section on the website is

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this quote in that computer context I

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would define myself as bio matrix hacker

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and my technique as the way to break

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into the bio fields continuum or the

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matrix that interconnects us all with

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one another and with all living

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organisms ultimately like a global bio

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internet then when an individual

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computer a person is experiencing

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troubles bugs crashes or an accident as

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for instance with a burn injury all that

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I am doing is writing a specific bio

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program with appropriate bio

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algorithms to resolve and correct the

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problem then hack the bio matrix to be

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capable to upload it it will be then

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automatically downloaded to the

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individual computer the person that has

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experienced a crisis to fix the specific

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software conflict or problem end quote

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they claim to have taken away all pain

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and all traces of the burn of many

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people however on the main page of the

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website is this quote call within the

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first 30 minutes on your way to hospital

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free processing is in addition to normal

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medical procedures and is done in a

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minute end quote see what they've done

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there the patient undergoes normal

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medical procedures in the first 30

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minutes and that is the application of

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water I must also add here that a friend

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who once did our naturopathy degree told

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me that a homeopath came to speak to

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them one day and said that because in

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homeopathy like cures like one should

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apply hot water to burns apparently even

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the net chiappa these students were

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aghast at this before i go i'm going to

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shamelessly give my first-aid business

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at plug i do many corporate first aid

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training sessions if you have a group of

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10 or more people I'm so happy to come

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to Brisbane or Sydney if you're closer

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to me in the northern rivers I only need

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a minimum of three to run a course

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contact me at info at accredited first

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aid com au or take a look at my website

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accredited first aid com au thanks

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everyone bye for now

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otherwise known as dr. Bob from dr.

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Bob's trivia quiz Steve were just

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talking about movies our big fan of

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movies course could movies but

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paranormal movies and psychics and

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movies what's your take on that yeah

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look um I think actually this is of

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course for a lot of belief in psychics

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that with a movie shows somebody

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predicting the future or with

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some kind of some kind of gift yeah you

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have to know that movies are fiction yes

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I kisses are there'll be a big disaster

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and only one will survive and the viewer

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sort of pockets its information of the

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plot for seeds yeah and later on there's

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a big disaster everyone survives and and

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if any of that to survive door there was

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no disaster that that clip with a

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psychic would have been a waste of the

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audience's time yeah the new protein so

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this happened it happens in Moby Dick in

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fact exactly is that the protagonist

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Ishmael is who figure out looking for a

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ship to sail on yeah and somebody pulls

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massages are don't go on the Pequod are

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out are not the people other people more

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founder and only one sort of survived to

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tell the tale and he thinks I'll blow

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that I'm going on the peak while anyway

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and sails off on the voyage and of

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course the damn thing sinks sunk by the

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whale and I'm only only he survives to

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tell the tale that's making it true yeah

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yeah otherwise why put that the audience

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thinks okay the psychic was correct yeah

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well and then TV shows to a specifically

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about things like medium the show about

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a psychic so of course it's written that

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she can see mystical things and get

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messages from the dead while the orders

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also see a mystical things seen them

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what they do you tell a lot of people

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think when they're watching a show like

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that that it's based on reality and this

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is more or less a dramatization of real

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events it's well a lot of people

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conflate real-life psychics with the

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movie saw yeah that you see who always

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right yeah so you pop I would say I'm a

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psychic Artie the psyche the film was

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right every time yes and so on a no

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something's are based on a true story

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well you kills me you know but like what

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was the famous haunting and just escaped

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at the amityville hobbit of your hollow

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based on a true story it's true that

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there was a bit of a scan in the house

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involve is a bit of a shenanigan here

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and there but some the people who bought

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the house after the the movie one moved

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out found nothing wrong with us all yeah

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you can probably get it cheaply now I

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don't know it all plots of fiction hello

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suddenly predict something and usually

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it comes to part is some ironic way yeah

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otherwise 11 horror movie or somebody

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had his head cut off there was a vision

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there's a photograph of sunny with a

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line across

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cutting his head off in the photo yeah

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by excellent do we thought I bet that

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guy gets his head penfield sure enough

545
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he's walking down the street thinking

546
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there must avoid sharp things in ER and

547
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a lorry carrying a sheet of glass

548
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crashes and the sheet of glass flies off

549
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and slices his head off Oh anything ah

550
00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:11,950
thanks you see if they hadn't show that

551
00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:13,990
if that wasn't in the film that picture

552
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with a head lined off a little bit away

553
00:24:20,909 --> 00:24:19,390
from Toyota and on the flip side I don't

554
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know if you saw a movie some years back

555
00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:22,299
four or five years ago called the

556
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skeptic I actually SAT through it it was

557
00:24:30,779 --> 00:24:28,720
pretty dire but of course I want the not

558
00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:30,789
to spoil the plot people if you haven't

559
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:33,149
seen it but it's not such a great movie

560
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:35,890
Hughes on the skeptic I'm the skeptic he

561
00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:37,809
was a bit of a stereotypical cartoon

562
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:39,580
black and white skeptic and of course

563
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:41,260
he's shown to be wrong I mean they're so

564
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,750
predictable oh well if you're shown to

565
00:24:48,389 --> 00:24:45,279
be roll the best thing they just fess up

566
00:24:51,570 --> 00:24:48,399
and say okay I know but it but you know

567
00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:51,580
he showing him to be wrong it the movie

568
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,070
point movie make some supernatural thing

569
00:24:58,049 --> 00:24:56,320
right you see all this silly skeptic he

570
00:24:59,549 --> 00:24:58,059
got his comeuppance in the other they

571
00:25:01,529 --> 00:24:59,559
leave it well in that case there must

572
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must be a ghost sales idea look it's

573
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:03,070
been so long since I saw the movie and I

574
00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:05,080
was pretty impressed but that was the

575
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:06,700
gist oh there's a very good woody allen

576
00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:09,370
movie about a year ago or on this theme

577
00:25:13,769 --> 00:25:11,980
oh yes the guy who was a career skeptic

578
00:25:14,970 --> 00:25:13,779
that's right based on income of the name

579
00:25:17,639 --> 00:25:14,980
james randi and richard dawkins

580
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:17,649
conflated together and he's a skeptic a

581
00:25:21,659 --> 00:25:19,510
tease our guns and ears his comeuppance

582
00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:21,669
and somebody know stuff about him yeah

583
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:23,830
which turns out to be a plot done by his

584
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friends just to make him be wrong but

585
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:29,470
yeah yeah I mean but the movie skeptics

586
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:31,450
of betrayed is usually being arrogant

587
00:25:36,060 --> 00:25:34,450
and they'll be wrong somehow and yeah

588
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:36,070
waiting for their comeuppance that I

589
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guess it wouldn't they would make a

590
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movie about someone like a Randy or

591
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,279
whatever where you know going in with a

592
00:25:46,649 --> 00:25:44,080
genuinely open mind seeing what there is

593
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but always finding thus far that all

594
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:48,159
claims don't live up to their promise

595
00:25:54,450 --> 00:25:50,950
well that's really work in a field of um

596
00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:54,460
preposterous claims we do if you were in

597
00:25:58,409 --> 00:25:56,440
a homicide did it field of scientific

598
00:26:00,269 --> 00:25:58,419
type well that's different then

599
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:00,279
sometimes we'd be well and well years

600
00:26:03,499 --> 00:26:01,690
you wouldn't pontificate on those claims

601
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:03,509
you look for evidence just it yeah

602
00:26:08,219 --> 00:26:05,830
but if somebody says I can bend spoons

603
00:26:10,139 --> 00:26:08,229
you know the first question you would

604
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:10,149
ask is what can we see you do it and

605
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:13,089
that comes reply oh I can't do it if

606
00:26:18,029 --> 00:26:16,089
there's a skeptic and easy I think the

607
00:26:19,769 --> 00:26:18,039
only invisible spoons or so only when

608
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cameras aren't really good which is a

609
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true excuse i heard i went to a

610
00:26:26,249 --> 00:26:24,129
paranormal convention earlier last year

611
00:26:28,499 --> 00:26:26,259
with may not in fact and one of the

612
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:28,509
topics was poltergeist and the guy

613
00:26:34,619 --> 00:26:32,289
seriously said words long the words the

614
00:26:35,879 --> 00:26:34,629
effect oh it's known that poltergeists

615
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:35,889
don't operate when there's cameras

616
00:26:40,499 --> 00:26:38,710
running good real supposing those

617
00:26:41,969 --> 00:26:40,509
cameras secretly running what happens

618
00:26:43,619 --> 00:26:41,979
then I mean you're clever those

619
00:26:46,019 --> 00:26:43,629
poltergeists they know these things all

620
00:26:48,899 --> 00:26:46,029
I can see it can they see anything

621
00:26:51,629 --> 00:26:48,909
something useful then lady oh yeah great

622
00:26:54,239 --> 00:26:51,639
to catch up with you again that dr. Bob

623
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from dr. Bob news quiz steve roberts and

624
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google dr. bob's trivia quiz have a go

625
00:27:00,779 --> 00:26:58,509
right in come up with some interesting

626
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:00,789
answers and oh i must thank you very

627
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:02,769
much i sent down a copy of the

628
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:04,450
vaccination chronicles DVD to you down

629
00:27:08,009 --> 00:27:06,609
in the only way are based and you got

630
00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:08,019
busy and made lots of copies yeah i

631
00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:09,669
sported a few copies off it i think

632
00:27:14,849 --> 00:27:11,080
there are skeptics meeting engageable

633
00:27:16,979 --> 00:27:14,859
y-yeah a DVD and it seemed to views with

634
00:27:19,529 --> 00:27:16,989
them as you know you made it you know it

635
00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:19,539
gives people who have or have not been

636
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vaccinated yeah yeah the ones who have

637
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not generally did so we don't see much

638
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:25,960
of those might um and you know stories

639
00:27:29,489 --> 00:27:27,700
about around vaccination then leave it

640
00:27:31,139 --> 00:27:29,499
he's give it away free and yeah yeah

641
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:31,149
yeah yeah anybody can like The Skeptical

642
00:27:35,009 --> 00:27:33,070
cinema send them a free copy whether if

643
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:35,019
they just go to the skipper's own

644
00:27:39,749 --> 00:27:37,690
website desk if it's on TV and you can

645
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:39,759
download each other uh well you can you

646
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:42,129
it's free on YouTube of course but the

647
00:27:46,049 --> 00:27:44,289
DVD itself with all the extra features

648
00:27:48,749 --> 00:27:46,059
extra interviews and many languages

649
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:48,759
itself yeah you can buy it for twelve

650
00:27:52,529 --> 00:27:50,529
dollars that simply covers production

651
00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:52,539
and heritage anywhere in the world yeah

652
00:27:57,389 --> 00:27:54,820
and once you get it then it's your job

653
00:27:59,519 --> 00:27:57,399
to copy it and copy yeah away copy it

654
00:28:01,649 --> 00:27:59,529
really is popular anyway good to catch

655
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:01,659
up with you again Steve Roberts and

656
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:03,369
thanks for coming by your level Richard

657
00:28:10,469 --> 00:28:07,089
cheers hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this

658
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:10,479
park yeah yes great weather oh look a

659
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unicorn you

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corn there are no such things as

661
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:16,710
unicorns silly yes there is no there

662
00:28:21,130 --> 00:28:18,900
isn't hey guys what are you arguing

663
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:21,140
about tom thinks unicorns are real

664
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:24,180
thanks so are let's look us up in the

665
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skeptics dictionary now what how can we

666
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,040
do this in this bar there is the

667
00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:30,720
computer here you guys probably don't

668
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:32,430
know about the skeptics dictionary app

669
00:28:39,410 --> 00:28:35,490
available now for iPhone iPad and iPod

670
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:39,420
touch in the App Store Wow cool the app

671
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,980
lets you access all of the great

672
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:43,200
skeptics dictionary articles when you're

673
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:45,750
on the go here let me look up unicorns

674
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:48,510
not cool Kenny prepare to be proven

675
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:51,030
wrong it says here the Unicorn is a

676
00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:55,170
creature from fables aha actually I see

677
00:28:59,030 --> 00:28:56,430
now that someone just dumped their ice

678
00:29:04,310 --> 00:28:59,040
cream cone on that horse's head thanks

679
00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:04,320
skeptics dictionary iphone app welcome

680
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:07,470
to a week in science from RI oz bringing

681
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:10,410
you the science you need to know they're

682
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:12,630
some of the world's most active frequent

683
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:14,760
flyers clocking up more air miles than

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00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:17,580
most humans let's fly away with some

685
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:25,170
amazing migratory birds the bird with

686
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:27,870
the longest migration is the Arctic Tern

687
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:30,660
clocking up an incredible 40,000

688
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,720
kilometers in each direction the arctic

689
00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:36,480
tern breeds in arctic regions including

690
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,180
russia and Greenland then migrates to

691
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:41,700
feeding grounds in Antarctica they

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00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,650
return to the north for the next

693
00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:46,080
breeding season often returning to the

694
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:48,780
same location or even the same colony in

695
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,510
which they were born this routing means

696
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:54,600
the average bird travels around 70,000

697
00:30:01,100 --> 00:29:58,320
kilometers per year scaled for size the

698
00:30:04,550 --> 00:30:01,110
longest migration is by the 25 gram

699
00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:04,560
northern whittier these tiny birds can

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00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:07,230
migrate around 30,000 kilometers each

701
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:10,620
year from alaska to sub-saharan africa

702
00:30:18,629 --> 00:30:16,320
that's a long journey but they do stop

703
00:30:21,539 --> 00:30:18,639
for rest food and sleep along the way

704
00:30:24,539 --> 00:30:21,549
the record non-stop flight was by the

705
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:24,549
bar tailed godwit which was tracked

706
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,000
flying without a rest from Alaska across

707
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:30,960
the Pacific Ocean to New Zealand this

708
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:33,610
unbelievable flight was eleven thousand

709
00:30:39,509 --> 00:30:36,220
six hundred kilometers and took nine

710
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:39,519
days to sleep the bird shut down half

711
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:41,710
its brain at a time and the energy

712
00:30:47,399 --> 00:30:44,590
demand was huge losing half its body

713
00:30:49,529 --> 00:30:47,409
weight during the flight researchers

714
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,539
think the bird navigated using the Sun

715
00:30:53,789 --> 00:30:51,720
during the day and the stars at night

716
00:30:56,009 --> 00:30:53,799
meaning they would have had to account

717
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,019
for the rotation of the sky in both

718
00:31:04,639 --> 00:30:58,240
northern and southern hemispheres and

719
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:08,159
to migrate long distances birds must be

720
00:31:14,249 --> 00:31:10,750
able to carry fuel but fuel capacity

721
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,259
reduces with body size so most migratory

722
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:16,480
birds are less than 1 kilogram in mass

723
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:19,570
to minimize drag migratory bird wings

724
00:31:25,259 --> 00:31:22,330
are generally long and slender and their

725
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:25,269
body streamlined birds can navigate

726
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:28,090
using the Sun and stars but also the

727
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:30,129
magnetic fields of the earth and the

728
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,440
terrain and layout of the land and even

729
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:35,440
smell migratory birds are starting to be

730
00:31:40,139 --> 00:31:37,330
threatened by development along their

731
00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:40,149
migration paths reducing food and

732
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,820
shelter that's it for this a week in

733
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:45,279
science for more information on bird

734
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migrations fly over to the orioles

735
00:31:55,379 --> 00:31:51,610
website are I au s dot org dot a you

736
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:55,389
follow us on twitter at our iOS and like

737
00:32:10,070 --> 00:31:58,210
us on facebook i'm paul willis and we'll

738
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,580
and joining me now from that wonderful

739
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,299
city up there in Scotland the place I

740
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:18,600
love to visit when I can Edinburgh it's

741
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,330
the skeptical entertainer ash price

742
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:23,760
hello ash hi Richard how are you I'm

743
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:26,700
really well how Scotland these days um a

744
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:28,620
little sunnier than you might expect for

745
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:31,230
this time of year really hmm yeah it's

746
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:32,940
quite quite bright and shining I

747
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:34,380
actually went out with sunglasses on the

748
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,090
other day I know it's a sign of the end

749
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:39,480
times it is that sounds a bit spooky and

750
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:41,730
we can use that as a really bad segue to

751
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:44,970
talk about your upcoming tour which is

752
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:46,980
called and here's oh here's a title for

753
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:50,580
your folks how to talk to the dead what

754
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:52,289
can you tell us about this bizarre

755
00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:56,190
sounding show well talking to the dead

756
00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:58,110
is itself quite an easy thing to do

757
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,179
getting them to talk back is where the

758
00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:02,700
problem comes in and that's this very

759
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:04,590
much where this show comes in it's going

760
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:07,769
to be looking at mainly a Victorian an

761
00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:10,230
early 20th century spirit and mediumship

762
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:11,909
communication it's going to be looking

763
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:13,380
at the history of that it's going to

764
00:33:16,129 --> 00:33:15,210
involve some practical demonstrations

765
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:16,139
and quite a lot of audience

766
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:18,630
participation so it's kind of a mix of a

767
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,289
of a skeptics talk with a entertainment

768
00:33:26,299 --> 00:33:24,120
magic and comedy good heavens that

769
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,309
sounds that sounds fascinating and so

770
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:29,039
it's basically and is it a comedy show

771
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:31,110
isn't it is it entertaining is it their

772
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:33,330
educational how would you describe it

773
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,779
it's kind of a mixture I would I

774
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:38,159
originally want it when it was first

775
00:33:43,639 --> 00:33:41,190
created it was very much a a very

776
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,649
straightforward skeptics talk on on the

777
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:46,620
debunking of spirit communication and

778
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:48,210
its kind of developed over the past

779
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:49,590
couple of years to its current form

780
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,299
which is very much an entertainment show

781
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:54,720
with a skeptical angle right right so it

782
00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:57,330
really is covering the history of what

783
00:34:01,639 --> 00:33:59,100
we call spirituals are more talking to

784
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:01,649
the didn't that sort of thing yeah so

785
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:03,179
you look at all that but but you also

786
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:04,830
throw in a lot of other things here I'm

787
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:07,529
just glancing at your the website which

788
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:09,899
we'll get to in a moment were you you're

789
00:34:13,879 --> 00:34:11,849
talking about the show so you cover such

790
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:13,889
things as Ouija boards and spirit slates

791
00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:17,099
and spirit communications stopping

792
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,929
pulses now always film find that

793
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:20,220
interesting do you do something like

794
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:22,080
that in the show um I do give it a

795
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:23,330
demonstration yes

796
00:34:29,410 --> 00:34:25,960
though reports of of many faq is

797
00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:29,420
performing stock pulse demonstrations so

798
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,430
I kind of I mix that in with my

799
00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:33,200
ectoplasm demonstration so I kind of

800
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:35,000
give this is little routine rice I'm

801
00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:36,740
going to bring forth some actor plays on

802
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:38,780
my knees go into a trance to do so so

803
00:34:41,410 --> 00:34:39,830
some things going to join me on the

804
00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:41,420
stage if you take my pulse please and

805
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,790
we'll well I might have to go into this

806
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:45,200
trance state i can bring up the

807
00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:48,560
ectoplasm so that's that's where that

808
00:34:53,170 --> 00:34:51,470
part comes in good heavens that bed

809
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:53,180
sounds like it said that there should be

810
00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:55,370
a quite something to see what what's the

811
00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:57,140
reaction you get when you do this sort

812
00:35:01,330 --> 00:34:59,330
of stuff i mean our audience they

813
00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:01,340
lawrence's are they generally would you

814
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:02,600
do you get some people in the audience

815
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,990
who are horrified or do you get people

816
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:07,040
complaining bitterly about what you're

817
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:09,620
doing I've never had anyone bitterly

818
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,600
complained because the show's had its

819
00:35:15,850 --> 00:35:14,000
life on the Edinburgh Fringe it means

820
00:35:18,340 --> 00:35:15,860
that the the audience potential audience

821
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:18,350
coming to see it is a little wider than

822
00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:20,180
what I've had what I you know when I do

823
00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:22,700
a normal skeptics and pub chug so I've

824
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:24,440
had a variety of different people come

825
00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:26,690
in and you can always tell who the

826
00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:28,040
believers in the power normal are

827
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:29,660
because there's one specific point in

828
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,950
the show where they always get up and

829
00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:32,480
leave and it's the point where I call

830
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:33,740
people on stage to do a Ouija board

831
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:36,530
demonstration and oh really yeah it's

832
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:38,330
quite interesting i've had people leave

833
00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:40,280
quite a few times at that exact moment

834
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:44,030
in the show i I first time happened i

835
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:45,530
thought i might do something wrong here

836
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:47,210
am i not big entertaining enough and

837
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:48,950
then when it when it started to happen

838
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:50,990
at the same point and several different

839
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:52,970
shows I had kind of realized oh that's

840
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:54,200
that's what's happening that it's the

841
00:35:58,780 --> 00:35:56,270
Ouija board because people still do

842
00:36:00,850 --> 00:35:58,790
actively believe the Ouija board is ave

843
00:36:02,170 --> 00:36:00,860
dangerous deadly device and that's

844
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:02,180
that's something that's kind of been

845
00:36:08,010 --> 00:36:04,520
spread by by the Christian Church that

846
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:08,020
the Ouija board is this satanic way of

847
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:10,040
communicating with the other sign you're

848
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:12,200
letting demons and demonic forces

849
00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:14,450
through in you are in danger if you use

850
00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:18,080
it good grief because I I've in fact

851
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:20,390
disabled behind me under covered here

852
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:22,130
I've got my very own Ouija board which I

853
00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:24,350
don't get out often i must admit but a

854
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:27,260
couple of months ago listeners to the

855
00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:29,930
skeptic zone will remember our reporter

856
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:31,340
main arden our friend ilithyia and

857
00:36:36,490 --> 00:36:33,260
myself went on a ghost adventure a ghost

858
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:36,500
tour to a graveyard where the organized

859
00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:38,630
is were busily pouring over the wig

860
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:41,360
board and yeah it was a fascinating

861
00:36:46,090 --> 00:36:44,210
experience I must admit but as you and I

862
00:36:47,590 --> 00:36:46,100
know you know we certainly know these

863
00:36:50,110 --> 00:36:47,600
science behind the with you I wouldn't

864
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:50,120
the ideomotor action but I'm I'm a

865
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:52,070
little surprised that people would

866
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:54,290
actually walk out were in fear I wonder

867
00:37:01,960 --> 00:36:57,410
well that's that's it I mean I've only

868
00:37:04,330 --> 00:37:01,970
really been called out by someone once

869
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:04,340
and is a a woman who was a spiritualist

870
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:06,770
and she she did while I was given the

871
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,420
demonstration I was explaining the

872
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:10,160
ideomotor effect i'll explain how it

873
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:12,050
happened she started laughing and she

874
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:16,280
very loudly and vocally called out that

875
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:18,890
no no no it is genuine it is real ly i

876
00:37:24,730 --> 00:37:21,110
have seen it and obviously because i'm

877
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,740
in a in a show environment um III don't

878
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:26,000
want to get into an argument or debate

879
00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:27,890
i'm happy to kind of address people's

880
00:37:33,550 --> 00:37:30,860
concerns and people's criticisms but she

881
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:33,560
was very very vocal on it but to her

882
00:37:39,790 --> 00:37:35,060
credit she did stay until the end of the

883
00:37:41,890 --> 00:37:39,800
show she didn't tip though she did she

884
00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:41,900
didn't did but she did you tip a table

885
00:37:45,970 --> 00:37:44,270
that's the question and unfortunately

886
00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:45,980
don't i don't actually include table

887
00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:48,440
tipping in this I I do a table

888
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:49,670
levitation routine with us for

889
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:53,240
demonstration purpose I did consider

890
00:37:56,770 --> 00:37:54,980
including table tipping but the show is

891
00:37:58,030 --> 00:37:56,780
starting to get too long so though there

892
00:37:59,500 --> 00:37:58,040
are things I really did want to include

893
00:38:01,630 --> 00:37:59,510
in the show that I've not been able to

894
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:01,640
though I kind of cut back a right it

895
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,670
turns into a 90-minute show and I want

896
00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:06,880
to try and keep it to just under an hour

897
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:08,750
alright well like that that's

898
00:38:12,850 --> 00:38:10,370
understandable so it sounds like you do

899
00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:12,860
you do cover a lot of bases in there do

900
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:15,860
you sort of bring it up right up to date

901
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:17,690
and talk about the modern phenomenon of

902
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:22,760
the stage psychics who talked to a huge

903
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:24,410
audience and somehow look like they're

904
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:27,110
contacting the dead that'll really

905
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:29,510
depends on how quickly the shows going I

906
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:31,190
did originally have it scheduled as a

907
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:33,290
part of the show I I looked at things

908
00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:35,120
like cold reading and hot reading on

909
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:38,180
stage demonstrations but because of

910
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:40,670
where it has to go in the show em it it

911
00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:44,420
has a habit sometimes interfering with

912
00:38:49,930 --> 00:38:48,500
flug interesting yeah because it's a

913
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,940
section that needs to

914
00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:51,440
towards the end why do talk a little bit

915
00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:53,900
about modern smoke communication very

916
00:38:59,230 --> 00:38:57,950
briefly mainly things like EVP and some

917
00:39:02,260 --> 00:38:59,240
of the ghost hunting device that are

918
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,270
used so in that section I did talk a

919
00:39:06,130 --> 00:39:04,160
little bit about spirit communication on

920
00:39:08,349 --> 00:39:06,140
stage in a more modern setting but I

921
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:08,359
found that it started to detract from

922
00:39:14,530 --> 00:39:11,450
the overall flow and so now I kind of

923
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,540
keep that back for if as a QA I can kind

924
00:39:18,609 --> 00:39:16,160
of go into a little bit more I tell then

925
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:18,619
I suppose in a sense that could be its

926
00:39:24,490 --> 00:39:21,130
very own show one day based on the more

927
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:24,500
modern methods yeah absolutely i'm also

928
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:27,109
I I do include a lot more detail on

929
00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:29,210
spoke communication in a show called how

930
00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:30,740
to be a psychic con man which is the

931
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,040
sister show home to this one right which

932
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:35,599
I'm hoping hopefully performing again

933
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,849
later in the year but that I talked

934
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:38,720
about it a little bit more in there

935
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:40,010
because I talk about things like

936
00:39:44,020 --> 00:39:41,569
astrology as well and Barnum statements

937
00:39:48,099 --> 00:39:44,030
and so that has my turn a natural segue

938
00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:48,109
into cold reading and stage stage

939
00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:50,300
mediumship because it's kind of in that

940
00:39:54,849 --> 00:39:53,660
same ball park area so I some of the

941
00:39:56,050 --> 00:39:54,859
reason why I've not gone into in too

942
00:39:58,510 --> 00:39:56,060
much detail in the house talk to the

943
00:40:01,150 --> 00:39:58,520
dead so I didn't want to end up doubling

944
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:01,160
you an audience it's interesting because

945
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:02,930
a lot of people especially in my circles

946
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:06,190
are very interested in the more modern

947
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:09,140
guys of this talking to the dead the

948
00:40:14,530 --> 00:40:11,089
television psychic and the stage psychic

949
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:14,540
and so on but the the history offered

950
00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:16,430
and in especially in the Victorian era

951
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:19,339
and the séances we might say and all

952
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:20,750
that sort of stuff is is so fascinating

953
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,940
what what is it about that especially

954
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:25,520
that caught your imagination I think

955
00:40:33,339 --> 00:40:28,220
it's the very theatrical nature of it

956
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:33,349
i'm i'm a former by trade and so I've

957
00:40:36,099 --> 00:40:34,670
always been interested in performance

958
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:36,109
styles and when I started getting

959
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:38,210
interesting skepticism it was the power

960
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,740
normal area that really interested me

961
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:41,599
the most and I started getting them

962
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:43,250
interested in magic as well as all that

963
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,490
really merged together and I found

964
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:48,319
myself really very very interested in

965
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:50,140
Victorian séances in early 20th century

966
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:52,910
seances and mediumship and so that's

967
00:40:57,609 --> 00:40:55,609
kind of where that all came from and

968
00:40:59,890 --> 00:40:57,619
it's just it's the theatrical nature of

969
00:41:01,870 --> 00:40:59,900
it and you don't really see seances like

970
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,880
that anymore but you know you don't see

971
00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:03,200
them with a whole Saturday

972
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:05,560
in the dark and levitating objects and

973
00:41:10,359 --> 00:41:08,150
spit full on spirit possessions with

974
00:41:12,339 --> 00:41:10,369
ectoplasm flowing out of all of the

975
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:12,349
orifices and it's just a very very

976
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:14,210
theatrical nature of it that really

977
00:41:19,089 --> 00:41:16,910
interested me yeah I think ectoplasm is

978
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:19,099
sort of had its days of fat don't you

979
00:41:24,099 --> 00:41:20,930
yeah i think it was it was popular in

980
00:41:28,089 --> 00:41:24,109
the in the 30s and 40s it was quite

981
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:28,099
popular i think the last well-known

982
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:30,650
medium to to really employ it was Helen

983
00:41:37,089 --> 00:41:34,490
Duncan in the 1940s but yeah there's a

984
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:37,099
very very short period of time I think

985
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:38,690
it's because people very very quickly

986
00:41:43,569 --> 00:41:41,690
discovered how it was done and it's got

987
00:41:45,579 --> 00:41:43,579
easy methods of communicating it by the

988
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,589
thirties and forties so I think it kind

989
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:46,880
of disappeared very quickly which is a

990
00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:49,130
from a performance aspect is a bit of a

991
00:41:54,339 --> 00:41:50,780
shame because it's actually a wonderful

992
00:41:55,870 --> 00:41:54,349
if disgusting thing to see and edinboro

993
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:55,880
such a wonderful place that is so full

994
00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:57,140
of history and there's so many good

995
00:42:01,060 --> 00:41:58,910
skeptics up there what can you tell me

996
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:01,070
about The Skeptical seen in Edinburgh

997
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:03,530
generally so very very active actually

998
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:05,930
edameh skeptics was the first skeptical

999
00:42:10,569 --> 00:42:08,420
group of the modern age anyway that was

1000
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:10,579
a start in Scotland I started that back

1001
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:13,550
in 2009 quite active a few years in it

1002
00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:15,710
and since I've kind of step back as i

1003
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,540
work on more by my theatre main

1004
00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:19,760
statement side of things it's really

1005
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:21,800
really grown they're very very very

1006
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:25,400
active edameh skeptics alone to a lot

1007
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:27,260
each year they have the fringe I'm each

1008
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:29,800
year where they do three full weeks of

1009
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:32,089
skeptics in the pub style talks every

1010
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:34,010
single day of the fringe which is a

1011
00:42:39,309 --> 00:42:37,550
massive massive undertaking basically

1012
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,319
doing two years worth of skeptics in the

1013
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:41,920
pub over the course of three weeks

1014
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:44,569
sounds too good to be true oh it's it's

1015
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,150
fantastic absolutely wonderful and we've

1016
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:48,800
had some great speakers going along with

1017
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,990
hope you like AC Grayling's come along

1018
00:42:55,329 --> 00:42:53,119
to give talks or as we've had Richard

1019
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:55,339
Wiseman Chris French a lot of New Berlin

1020
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:56,450
come along has been absolutely wonderful

1021
00:43:02,589 --> 00:42:59,960
and outside of that there's they have

1022
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:02,599
monthly meetings there's monthly book

1023
00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:04,130
clubs they have a monthly discussion and

1024
00:43:09,130 --> 00:43:06,920
debate group they have social outing so

1025
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,140
it's very very very active and then

1026
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:10,880
there's also a lot of interconnected

1027
00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:12,770
groups as well so you have the humanists

1028
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:14,990
you have the student humanists and you

1029
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:17,000
also have the 14 society which

1030
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,220
although dealing with more well 14

1031
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:21,980
issues is of interest quite a few of the

1032
00:43:25,420 --> 00:43:24,050
skeptics I myself being interested in

1033
00:43:27,550 --> 00:43:25,430
the paranormal supernatural do

1034
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:27,560
occasionally go across to the 40 in

1035
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:30,800
meetings so there's a lot to do and with

1036
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:32,060
Edinburgh being the center of the

1037
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:33,560
Scottish enlightenment as well it's just

1038
00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:36,590
such a wonderful city and it's great

1039
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:39,080
that it's so active in skepticism that's

1040
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:41,210
fantastic yeah I do lovely city I love

1041
00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:43,010
to visit I gave a talk there a couple of

1042
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:45,950
years ago which was just a thrill to be

1043
00:43:51,010 --> 00:43:48,290
able to talk to the n brew skeptics it

1044
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:51,020
was a wonderful place so that's the word

1045
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:52,520
people if you're in Scotland you for an

1046
00:43:56,590 --> 00:43:54,320
Edinburgh check out the local skeptical

1047
00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:56,600
scene there i'll put a link on to the

1048
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:58,910
show notes for this episode but ash I'm

1049
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:00,380
getting back to your tour I'm just

1050
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:02,330
scanning your website once again you're

1051
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,210
going to be a very busy entertainer

1052
00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:08,240
you're in Newcastle in Maine as well as

1053
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:12,080
Kadath as well as Lester as well as York

1054
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:16,430
as well as Leeds and then in June you're

1055
00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:18,890
in bath and then Portsmouth and then

1056
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:23,240
worthing Bedford Aberdeen Cambridge it

1057
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:24,920
goes on and on and on yeah where can

1058
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:27,530
people go to find out about your turn to

1059
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:30,800
catch your show well the best place to

1060
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:32,270
find out about the information of the

1061
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:35,900
show is my website ash price co uk if

1062
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,460
for whatever reason that's not working

1063
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:40,000
so I'm in the process of switching over

1064
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:42,170
servers at the moment I'm getting a

1065
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:44,090
fully functional website you can also

1066
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:46,190
check out on my blog Ashley James Price

1067
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,710
dot wordpress com and that's in both

1068
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:51,440
cases is price with why and so all the

1069
00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:52,520
information is on there and actually

1070
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:55,820
there's more dates being added there's

1071
00:45:00,460 --> 00:44:57,470
about three more dates that I need to be

1072
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:00,470
heading to the to the list it is and

1073
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:03,110
it's actually it's it's now covering as

1074
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:04,790
a northern ireland date that's added so

1075
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:07,510
it's it's covering all fours of the UK

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so that's just fantastic because as I

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scan down the website now it just goes

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on and on and on until October mm-hm so

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yeah that's that's really good to see

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absolutely what a pity Sydney isn't on

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that list yet mmm yes well um if I if we

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can find a easy way for me to get there

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I'm more than happy to come and visit

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the Australian

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summer that's not a bad idea you know

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ash I might have a word with a few

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people but under then Ashley price ash

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price thanks again for joining us on the

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skeptic sound and all the best with the

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tour and who knows maybe one day we can

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see it here in Australia thanks having

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me did you see that UFO sighting that

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made the news what did that latest study

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about alternative treatments really say

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is this photo making the rounds real or

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this week what a what a frightening

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report from Heidi Robertson at the top

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of the show it is frightening it's

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really concerning some of the things

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that people think are appropriate for

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treating burns it really is Thank You

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Heidi for that report are very important

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report I thought and Joe oh I Joe I hope

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we can have some more evidence please

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from you in the coming weeks well given

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that you said please Richard I think

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that that could be a thing yet I just

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like to actually take the opportunity to

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say thank you to people on Twitter who

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have given me messages after they've

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listened to my reports and the zone in

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general it's really interesting to get

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your feedback and I appreciate it very

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much and what's your Twitter handle Joe

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at Joe alabaster and your website is

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evidence please don't net very easy to

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remember folks and yes thank you for

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which has just been revamped wwk pegs on

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TV check it out it's a lot slicker it's

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a lot more easy to find things on the

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website now and we've added a shop and

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if I might give a personal plug it all

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goes to help the zone I've put up lots

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of origami posters because I've been

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doing origami for years I've written

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lots of books about it and DVDs and

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things I've made a range of origami

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and birds and all sorts of things hi

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sorry o mine are you ouo once the

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elephant's birds oh my oh I see very

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funny Joella basma um so check it out

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you can buy those posters and and I

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think they look great in kids rooms and

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schools and things like that and your

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kids have something they do indeed oh

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well Joe I'm going to have another

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coffee why I'm enjoying your company up

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here in the Blue Mountains and then I'll

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have to take the train back down to

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Sydney there are beautiful views to be

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seen on the way done but it is a long

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ride it is a bit of a long ride but

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really enjoyable until next week this is

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Richard Saunders and Joe alabaster

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signing off from the Blue Mountains here

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Steve Roberts who's the sponsor of the

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show he's going to be talking about bad

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birds yep cockatoos look at them all

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holy mackerel yeah be invaded oh when

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they go straight over the house it's

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quite amazing so we don't get plane

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noise here but we get birds they were

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shut up no they won't yeah all right all

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right dr. Bell dr. up and after that